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My God Can Beat the Shit Out of Your God For discussing any and all religious viewpoints. Intolerance will not be tolerated. Keeping your sense of humor is required. Posting messages about theological paradoxes is encouraged.

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Old 2003-08-12, 18:26
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Ever notice how every single culture that has ever been deemed semi advanced for it's era has had some sort of religious figurehead? The mayans and the aztecs both had multiple gods, a god for pretty much anything you can think of. European and North American religions (catholocism, prodestant, moron, amish, menoknight, etc.) all pray to one single god, who is the supposed creator of everything. So here you are, a religious person, your view of god contradicts that of most other religions, that's why it's a different religion. Somehow, in some way, at this moment in history, is your faith the correct one? Have all the previous religions now nonexistant been wrong, only yours now is right? Are all the other religions around today, wrong, and only yours is right? Chances are, a number of you from different religions will say "yes". hmm

Ever notice how the rules of every god of every culture (up until the seperation of church and state) came from the mouths of the ruling class? Ever notice how the rules of god always seemed to benefit the ruling class in one way or another. "Do what we say, follow our rules, or the almighty god, who is not us but some entity who only we have a connection to, will strike you down". Funny little coincidence. The irish catholic religion has the poor prolitariat working in almost slave conditions, but they are all supposed to "be happy with what they've got"; essentially don't fight the powers that control you, work harder for them. Then there's confession, another brilliant idea which allows people to not feel bad about breaking the occasional rule of god, which in other religions is unacceptable. This keeps the people happy, and therefore ever productive for the ruling class. No one is being torn apart inside for going against their religion, distracting them from their work. Then there's heaven and hell, some non existant future that keeps you in line in the present. Work hard and be good, and you will be rewarded in the afterlife - translation: be a slave for your entire life producing the most for your ruling class, thinking you'll go somewhere fantastic that cannot be proved to exist or not exist. Keep slaving away, one day you'll be rewarded i bet.

Ever notice how in primitive times where science was not able to explain anything, God was always the answer? Some higher being did it all, and they only did it since humans were around, the earth wasn't old and didn't have other species before man, we didn't evolve, we're not animals we're special. So all these people whom god spoke to, god was just lying to them for kicks? There was adam and eve, the earth was young, oh wait all our genetics can be traced back to one mother in africa and the earth is billions of years old. shit. There's those easy answers that kept people from questioning anything gone; with science it's no wonder that atheism is running more and more rampant, it simply proves that religion was out and out lying to people for thousands of years. If the prolitariate is kept in order through these lies, there is less revolt against the rulers, who can manipulate and control their slaves much easier.

Now here's where my God steps in, i call him logic. Each human is born with a genetic coding, DNA. this determines how things taste, feel, look, sound, and smell to the person. When you are just created you have no experiences, so it is up to all these genetic filters to determine what you "like" (which tastes, touches, smells, etc. agree with your DNA) and what you don't like (what doesn't agree). All your decisions from then on are determined now by your genetics, but also your past experiences which you remember (essentially how it reacted with your genetics before). This is why animals with memory can be operatively conditioned, they will remember how their genetics associate with a certain experience, and be draw towards or away from that experience based upon the previous reactions. So every decision you make is essentially the decision that agrees with your genetic coding, like a complex calculator. Every event is weighed against the rules or coding of your body, and then governed by the laws of physics, something your "free will" can't chose to ignore. Essentially free will is non existant, you're just one big chemical reaction playing itself out. So you posses the illusion of free will, maybe a calculator thinks it's willfully making 2 and 2 = 4, because that's what agrees with it's programming. You're going to make all your actions no matter what, because it would go against yourself to make a decision the opposite way. Free will would be contradicting your own wants and needs, which no one does. So you say, hey, what about when i sacrafice my wants and needs for someone else, isn't that free will? No, your wants and needs become what you think someone else wants. Your want is for the other person to get what they want, you DON'T want them to not get their way, or you wouldn't let them get their way in the first place. Free Will, nonexistant. Therefore, how can god pass judgement when our morals don't agree with the ones he set out, and send us to hell. If he created people, he created DNA, the specific rules that govern all your decisions, and he created the laws of physics, which lay out the limitations of what we can and can't do. So if he didn't give us free will, why would he expect us to try to get to heaven or stay away from hell when it's already predetermined how morally bankrupt (or morally rich) each one of us is? Hey, maybe it's other people programming our minds through experience to think that we should act in such a way to be more productive for those people who told us to act that way in the first place. Go figure.



Religion a control method, what?



Edit: Needless to say, religion has it's place. Some people can't face up to the fact that they're just another animal, of no importance to anything in the long run, spinning around in a huge area called the universe, something which we onlt understand the smallest fraction of. Sometimes it keeps people who would have bad morals good, by programming them to think that they need to be good. In today's age though, you shouldn't need some fake preacher whos taking your money to tell you to not be a bad person, you should just not be a bad person.

I feel badly for all the children who are programmed at such an early age that they cannot escape their religion once they are old enough to logically determine god's nonexistance. Hook them early, own them forever, and the ruling class does a damn good job of it. But then again, "I have found you can find happiness in slavery", a truer statement has never been made.

[This message has been edited by d4v3 (edited 08-12-2003).]
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Old 2003-08-12, 22:19
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biblethumpers, unite and attempt to prove this wrong somehow, i'm interested to here how deep the brainwashing can run.
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Old 2003-08-13, 00:33
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I really enjoyed reading your post. Good Work.
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Old 2003-08-13, 00:41
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If all you are talking about is just the fact that science out rules any form of how they said the world and life came to be then it sure took you a while. In short, don't bother trying to change their beliefs, that is an endless battle. Trust me I have tried, no matter what logic, science, even if you have pure straight evidence sitting in your hands they wont even turn their noses to it. Just...take it from me and give up on it buddy.

but in the end, I give you a thumbs up, and appluse. I'll enjoy watching what some of them say

-Miakia

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Old 2003-08-13, 00:56
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quote:Originally posted by d4v3:

biblethumpers, unite and attempt to prove this wrong somehow, i'm interested to here how deep the brainwashing can run.
Moses and the Hebrew slaves were not the ruling class.

BA. DA. BING.

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Old 2003-08-13, 01:01
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So you're addressing this to believers of God and not just religeous people eh?

Do you think it's foolish to believe in a God that is the consciousness of nature. We are the consciousnous that controls our human nature, just as God is the consciousness that controls universal nature?

Why would a lifeform care about survival since it know it's gonna die itself? Where did the want of survival come from? If there is no conscious thought after death then logically a lifeform shouldn't care what happened afterwards. Why would we care what the state of affairs are to be when we aren't around to experience them? Could it be that at a deep level lifeforms know that they are a part of a universe that 'goes on'?

When did lifeforms begin? By an accident of nature, or a reaction that had never happened before. Either way lifeforms are a product of nature. Lifeforms are nature. But why would we feel a need to survive? Because even if we die, nature still carries on.

If a boulder can fall without fear of splitting in two, why can't a man live without fear of death? I mean we are only products of nature aren't we? Our death won't stop nature so why fear it? Nature will still go on no matter which form it takes.

We are the same as nature. But if we are the same as nature, then that must mean that 'nature' wants to survive. But how could nature want to survive if it didn't have a consciousness?

Lifeform cannot suddenly appear into existence unless it's a part of nature already. So the only way we can be different

to nature is if lifeform began as soon as time began. But we all know that our entire bodies are made from natural elements, so

if we are different from nature the only possible difference is consciousness (which controls the area of nature that is our bodies). But then that begs the question "Where did consciousness come from if it isn't a part of nature?".

Consciousness also cannot suddenly spring into existence so it must always have existed.



If consciousness is a product of nature, then nature must have a will to survive, therefore nature has a consciousness (God) and we are part of it.

If consciousness is seperate from nature, then since consciousness cannot suddenly "spring from nothing" then it must

have always existed and since it isn't the same as nature, why should the laws of nature apply? including rules of time and space and death.

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Old 2003-08-13, 01:17
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how can i argue for the existence of god using any religion for my basis, especially christianity.

can't.

i don't pray to my god, and he's not so vain as to demand worship.

my god could probably give two shits about whether you believe in him or not, realizing your belief has no basis in any reality but your own, and those you can convince.
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Old 2003-08-13, 01:53
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Religion is a lie, and it is nothing more than a method of keeping people dumb.
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Old 2003-08-13, 01:58
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quote:Originally posted by DarkFire47:

Religion is a lie, and it is nothing more than a method of keeping people dumb.
What a unique viewpoint.

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Old 2003-08-13, 07:14
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What a unique viewpoint.
As true as your statement is, Kikey, a viewpoint's uniqueness doesn't matter if it's wrong.

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