Who is/was Jesus?

[Docta?]

I don't know who or what Jesus was, but I can tell you what Jesus is...

Jesus is something which Christians talk to in their heads... an imaginary friend, to some extent. No-one in any current generation can possibly know if the stories about the son of god are true, though many people will tell you that they know for a fact that they are true/false.

Someone who believes in something through blind faith is most likely unable to live a life without some sort of mystical entity swirling around them... we can't see it, they can't see it, but they know that it is there because it makes their lives easier.

I'm athiest by the way, still recovering from a Catholic upbringing.

Christians, listen to "Eulogy" by Tool...

[Direckshun]

I own the album. Your point?

[I_Like_Traffic_Lights]

quote:Originally posted by ---Beany---:

I believe that everyone is a spiritual path to rejoin with god by realising, or remembering, that they are god, or part of, and understand exactly why.

You can only understand why once you have learned all the secrets about life and it's concepts. Jesus had reached this stage. He had learned that he is god (as we all are). He knew the secrets of life and how to use it, just as god does (since he is the creator). Some call this enlightenment. He understood how the power of belief altered brainwaves in a way that can manipulate energy into bringing forth what he believed.

He was a man who preached so much wisdom to people that was misunderstood by so many people who passed it down the line.

I don't think Jesus was anymore of a spiritual figure than 'Buddah', or 'Hare Krsna' or whoever else had achieved enlightenment.

He died on the cross for people's sins. But this is also misunderstood. Spiritual masters have the ability of taking people's karma and suffering the results so that those people don't have to suffer the effects of karma re-balancing. This could be the exchange of energies that have become become attached to the soul. Good for bad.

Jesus was an amazing man, but anyone enlightened is amazing. They know how to run perfectly in tune with the universe or with the flow of energy.

Also, since he has achieve enlightenment/understood all lifes concepts/ has flawless wisdom, he could preach these concepts to other people. Concepts such as 'Turn the other cheek'.

Which isn't misunderstood, but neither is it generally understood.

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Right on Beany, couldn't have said it better myself, when'd you start reading my thoughts. ROCK ON with yo bad self.

*starts playing the theme from shaft*

[Craftian]

I think I should point out that the Bible is the only evidence that Jesus ever even existed.

Any of the other evidence that surfaces from time to time (like the recent ossory of James) is invariably faked.

I'm an atheist, BTW, but that should be irrelevant.

[browncloud]

None of us know anything with certainty about these matters, that's what we know for sure.

We'd have to die, but nobody that has died has told us livin' folks anything certain, we know that for sure.

It's all speculation wether ye be Athiest or Religious, yeah, we know!

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[jonboyw75]

quote:Originally posted by LwaysTired:

Who was/is Jesus? Why not try reading the bible sometime. They talk a lot about him in it

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I've read the bible (whole thing more than once), the Koran, the Gnostics and other spurrios Christian writings, the writings of Early Christians and more. I know who I believe Jesus is. I'm interested in other views primarily the views on Non-Christians. Are thier any Jews or Muslims on here? I would like to hear some of thier views also

[UrbnTbone]

quote:Originally posted by Kikey_Kikeowitz:

He had the right idea with martyrdom, though. Look how much he accomplished in death.

Oh yeah he accomplished a lot: during two millenia there were packs of angry peasants hunting for Jews every Dec. 25th: "Revenge for God's death!!!"

Such a bastard's accomplishment, yeah!

[---Beany---]

quote:Originally posted by I_Like_Traffic_Lights:

Right on Beany, couldn't have said it better myself, when'd you start reading my thoughts. ROCK ON with yo bad self.

*starts playing the theme from shaft*

Dude, we rule!!

[The Marksman]

jesus was a sociopath

he convinced a bunch of people he was the son of god. i think it would be pretty easy to do 2000 years ago if you had any kind of intelligence.

[Kikey_Kikeowitz]

quote:Originally posted by UrbnTbone:

Oh yeah he accomplished a lot: during two millenia there were packs of angry peasants hunting for Jews every Dec. 25th: "Revenge for God's death!!!"

Such a bastard's accomplishment, yeah!

I never said it was a good accomplishment.

You do have to admit, though. He was a booster.