Who is/was Jesus?

[browncloud]

UrbnTbone spoke thusly:

quote:Note: according to the Bible, any prophet, even supported by miracles and great wonders, calling for one slight change in the order of the Torah, is a false prophet. If anyone believed the Bible is the word of God, they would never believe in any Jesus, or for that

matter, Mohammed. That makes the God of the first of sacred books - a damn liar...

Uhhh? I'm tired, could you clarify that please?

That's true to some sects, but it's irrelevant. We can't verify that Jesus renounced the Torah, and he appears to have been a simply Jewish patriot.

[Fascistsmasher]

Jesus was a man, like any other. Its as simple as that.

[UrbnTbone]

quote:Originally posted by browncloud:

Uhhh? I'm tired, could you clarify that please?

Me too... *yawn*...

Well, don't worry about it. Just that if the bible is god's words, then by forbidding false prophets to the Jews, yet sending one (Jesus), god would be a liar. So the (Jesus) bible is a lie. Rather than having God, being one.

Clear? *yawn again*

[UrbnTbone]

Yeah, the Hiram key, Roslyn chapel as the grail's resting place etc...

In France we have the abbé Saunière story of Rennes-le-château. Some people claim tat too, same story different place. What is interesting is why humans need to dig the same ground so many times.

On the one hand we pretend being agnostic or atheist, or rational-religious, yet we always look for the grail and stuff, ya know.

[UrbnTbone]

quote:Originally posted by Tyrant:

Mashmia Yeshu'a

Bullshit. That book has nothing to do with Jesus. It describes a few versions of the redemption, stressing that the jewish redemption is in fact universal, and that is why the Jesus swindle came around, so that the big cosmic seed called (jewish) messiah, is held as BS by ignorants who heard the stupid christian version.

Like, if you wish, how can you discredit an idea? Well you find a nuts and get him propagating the idea. Then people say:"ah, yea, that's the nuts' idea, forget it"

Actually, according to the gentlemen behind "Hiram Key," Rosslyn is supposed to be the resting place not of the grail, but of the scrolls buried under the Temple of Herod just before the Jewish Revolt of AD 70. These scrolls supposedly belonged to the Qumranians, and the Qumranians were supposedly synonymous with the Nazarenes. Ergo, these scrolls would be the best chance we have to finally clear up the facts of Jesus' life. The value of such an archeological find could not possibly be overstated.

Edit: It should be noted that this would probably reveal what the facts already seem to indicate - that Jesus was a Jew, a nationalist, and claimed the messiahship in the kingly, Jewish sense. Given the vindication of what many of your people have been saying all along, UrbnTBone, I fail to understand your cavalier attitude.

[This message has been edited by Armed&Angry (edited 08-27-2003).]

[IzzyReele]

jesus was a man, a great man, but just a man and nothing more.

who knows maybe in another 300 years southern baptist black people will be praying and worshipping martin luther king jr as their messiah and direct son of god.

[browncloud]

UrbnTbone, I thought originally it meant the Torah was a lie. Thanx.

Jesus Did eliminate some of the more 'pagan type' God worship, cleaned up the image a bit. No more sacrifices.

Why did god like barbeques so much?

[UrbnTbone]

quote:Originally posted by Armed&Angry:

Given the vindication of what many of your people have been saying all along, UrbnTBone, I fail to understand your cavalier attitude.

Who said you need to understand everything? *proudly being an asshole*