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2007-07-18, 00:12
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defrauding isps
so let's say someone is getting free internet service through an isp, well actually a mobile carrier. and it might be on a fraudulent account. as far as the phone service goes, this person happens to know that they aren't trying to track and find the origin of the problem; it's more cost-effective for them to just cancel the account and cut their losses. would the same likely apply in regards to fraudulently using the phone as a modem? how likely is it that the carrier would actually moniter the data traffic in order to find identifying information? and even if they did, this would still be circumstancial, so this person thinks it's likely he will never see anything beyond a cancelled account, right?
so, would a cellular carrier moniter data to find info to identify someone possibly engaged in fraudulent activity, or just cancel the account?
how plausible is it? or would the person essentially be in the clear?
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2007-07-18, 00:34
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Re: defrauding isps
Hmm...
Depends on if they want to make an example of you or not.
If they are like most companies, they will just take the easy way out and cancel your account, leaving it at that.
If they feel like being a pain in the ass, they will track you down, and punish you to the full extent of the law.
Probably they will just take the easy way out, but you never know.
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2007-07-18, 02:13
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Re: defrauding isps
well, tracking this person down would be rather difficult, but his concern is more that no client side end user security of any sort would protect him if it was his isp coming after him, at least as far as the guy knows. if there's something that could help, i'd guess he would like to know.
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2007-07-18, 02:54
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Re: defrauding isps
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Originally Posted by r007 ph07oN
well, tracking this person down would be rather difficult, but his concern is more that no client side end user security of any sort would protect him if it was his isp coming after him, at least as far as the guy knows. if there's something that could help, i'd guess he would like to know.
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There's no need to talk in 3rd person/theoretically, unless you're THAT paranoid about being caught.
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2007-07-18, 03:52
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Re: defrauding isps
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Originally Posted by ZX Diet Pepsi
There's no need to talk in 3rd person/theoretically, unless you're THAT paranoid about being caught.
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considering the nature of the question, and general paranoia, he feels that's the best way to handle it.
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