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Old 2007-07-18, 18:28
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Hello everybody

I'm currently looking for studies on amphetamines (can be methamphetamines too) because I want to understand how the drugs really damage the body, because as for now, much of the damaging effects I've seen comes with the lifestyle of the user (like malnutrition, lack of sleep, using needles to inject, etc) and not necessarily with the use of the drug.

People say meth damage brain, but as for now, I haven't seen something that clearly states this. What I've read is that the adulterants used to cut the amps may cause stroke when injected or may cause brain damage, but I can't find something that makes a direct link between use and brain damage.

I've also checked erowid, but I'm really looking for studies to kind of understand the whole thing. I know there might not be tons of studies on this substance, but ho well...

So if a kind soul here could give me a link or two to a good, and neutral, study... I would appreciate it.

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Shakraz
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Old 2007-07-18, 18:40
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Run a google search on "amphetamine dopamine receptor damage." That returned quite a few for me.
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Old 2007-07-18, 19:39
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Thanks, I've gone through a few of them and it's good informations.

My goal is to find what are the "permanent" damages of amphetamines, and if there is no permanent damages, how long does the damages last.

There's many studies, and most of them are vague about this. They talk about damages, but doesn't tell if these damages heals after a day or after a decade.

So if someone have an answer to that, feel free to post. Because I'm kind of lost for now, it's been 3 hours reading different studies and articles, and I'm still in the dark.

Shakraz
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Old 2007-07-18, 19:49
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"Think of your body as an automobile with only so many miles on the warranty- speeding puts the mileage on faster then cruising. After all, speed is called speed for a reason. The faster you go, the sooner you are going to get where you are going- the faster you force your body to age, the faster it is going to get old and get where every aging body is headed- dead. And when you speed, whether you are an automobile or a soft machine, the chances of your throwing a connecting rod are always greater. Frank Zappa was right- speed kills. If not today, tomorrow. "

-Robert Sabbag
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Old 2007-07-18, 19:53
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Thanks for that quote, but that's not really what I'm looking for.

Especially when people 40 years old die from heart stroke, and 96 years old people die from lungs failure and still have a good heart.

I know amphetamines put stress on the heart, but I'm wondering how it's damaging it. When you run, your heart rate increase, but I haven't seen people die from running each morning for a year.

Now, if someone has some scientific data on that, I'm all hear.

Shakraz
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Old 2007-07-18, 20:34
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I'd also like to know why speed , or uppers in general damage the heart.......

excercise for the heart just like running.
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Old 2007-07-18, 21:25
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the damage the dopamine receptors in your brain, and if you abuse stimulants too much, you will never feel pleasure again
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Old 2007-07-18, 21:52
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Hello everybody
"HI, SHAKRAZ!!"

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I'm currently looking for studies on amphetamines (can be methamphetamines too) because I want to understand how the drugs really damage the body...
...by my humble understanding, all neurotoxicity arises from secondary Ca++-mediated secondary glutamergic exiotoxicity arising from the drastic increase in dopaminergic input of the VTA into the nucleus accumbens, and - like most glutamergic exiotoxicity - can be blocked by any glutamate antagonist active at the NMDA receptors, or by adequate intake of magnesium.

Rizz's lovely site at tribeinnocence.org or careful site-searches for abstracts of nih.gov should tell you more.

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What I've read is that the adulterants used to cut the amps may cause stroke... or...
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...the primary metabolite of meth/amphetamine is para-hydroxy(meth)amphetamine, an MAOI-inhibited analog of the cardioexiotoxin tyramine. For info on exactly what it does, a google search regarding its analogs may be in order - "tyramine pressor" or "MAOI tyramine." For more info on the metabolite itself, shulgin's entry on PMA in PIHKAL gives some interesting information in the "extentions and commentary" section.

...hopefully, this should answer a few of your questions and give you a starting place for your search.
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Old 2007-07-20, 18:48
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Very useful info, thanks alot.
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