Guro: wtf.

ChickenOfDoom · #1 2007-07-14, 08:44

What the shit is wrong with people? Why does this exist? I like to think of myself as a fairly accepting person, but I don't think I would be able to help resenting anyone who gets off to that stuff.

Thoughts/opinions/justifications?

Xbalanque · #2 2007-07-14, 15:25

it's interesting

you sound like a fucking grandma right now. it's just illustrations.

faggot

nightmare syndrome · #3 2007-07-14, 19:30

Silliness.

-NS

ChickenOfDoom · #4 2007-07-15, 04:57

It's not that I find it intrinsically disturbing or repulsive, it's just that it conveys a disrespect for individual power on a fundamental level. My problem is with the glorification of this.

nightmare syndrome · #5 2007-07-15, 18:13

10 points for good vocabulary.

-NS

Star Wars Fan · #6 2007-07-17, 03:44

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Originally Posted by ChickenOfDoom

it's just that it conveys a disrespect for individual power on a fundamental level. My problem is with the glorification of this.

"glofirication" how?

Freedom of speech FTW

You are being biased, shit you say that you can't feel but hate people who jerk off to that? WTF?

Shitting Dick Nipples?

ChickenOfDoom · #7 2007-07-17, 07:03

Glorification artistically. The depiction of a thing as being beautiful through some means- music, lighting, expressions, implications, whatever. Is my interpretation wrong?

I'm not saying it should be banned or restricted in the least. So long as no one is actually hurt in the process all information/media/art should be freely available. I don't see guro as being in any way immoral; I just feel strongly about what it seems to represent.

I didn't say hate, I said resent. Hate implies a lack of tolerance, respect, and some other things. This is hypothetical; I haven't actually felt this, but I believe that I would. Don't you feel at least some resentment for people who accept ideals you despise? Isn't purposefully seeking something out and feeling arousal towards it acceptance, at least on an emotional level? How can you not feel negatively towards someone who accepts an ideal incompatible with what you feel strongly about?

I know it's controversial, but there's only so much I can comprehend solely through introspection. If my understanding is incomplete, I want to correct that which is why I'm putting this out there.

I fully support and condone shitting dick nipples. My problem is with guro.

Mahimaki · #8 2007-07-18, 01:33

After reading this over and over again, I'm still trying to find a real point to this thread. You've expressed your dissatisfaction and disapproval of guro in as many or as little words as you wanted, yet a valid point has yet to surface.

From what I could gather, you seem unapproving of the forceful aspects of it, the taking of free will (i.e. rape). You speak of glorification, so are you talking about shock bands bands or visual kei? Explain further if you could.

You also said you condone shitting dick nipples, but you don't condone guro. They're one and the same so you're running around in a hypocritical fashion

As per you saying that your knowledge is incomplete of it all, you have to understand the origins of that which you resent. Being a more repressed and uniformed nation of people, things like guro came about as a way to express desires and fantasies that they couldn't do in the first place and wouldnt't be considered socially acceptable outside of a fantasy world. Rape, disfigurement, scat fetishes etc etc are common place in the realm of anime and fetish type adult videos. It's also the difference of ideology that they continue with, lacking the strict rules and justification of western type religion. You won't see breasts in kid shows in the western world, but they're a common sight in the east where it's not considered a taboo.

In a way it makes perfect sense. If you lived every day in a world where the people are almost identical in so many ways (straight black hair, similar body types, uniforms, facial structures etc etc), wouldn't you want to have some way of acting outside the norm, to establish a pseudo unique train of thought? It's why their exists social "cliques", groups of people with a like mind thusly giving birth to things such as Yankee style, Ganguro, and Fruits (fruits is an elaborate fashion style, not a happy slur for homosexuals).

If you would like some more easily digestable information and would prefer not to read and experience things in a more visual fashion, I point you to tv-links.co.uk, for a british show entitled "Japanorama".

ChickenOfDoom · #9 2007-07-18, 07:49

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Originally Posted by Mahimaki

After reading this over and over again, I'm still trying to find a real point to this thread. You've expressed your dissatisfaction and disapproval of guro in as many or as little words as you wanted, yet a valid point has yet to surface.

From what I could gather, you seem unapproving of the forceful aspects of it, the taking of free will (i.e. rape). You speak of glorification, so are you talking about shock bands bands or visual kei? Explain further if you could.

You also said you condone shitting dick nipples, but you don't condone guro. They're one and the same so you're running around in a hypocritical fashion

Ok, I didn't have a clear definition of the term. It still doesn't change what I'm talking about; drawings of naked girls being dismembered. I started this thread because it was 4am and I wasn't thinking clearly; I continued because I felt the need to defend my statements. By glorification I didn't mean anything specific, just that guro seems to glorify forceful mutilation in the same way http://www.petebevin.com/kittens/ seems to glorify kittens, or how any number of medieval paintings glorify christianity.

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Originally Posted by Mahimaki

As per you saying that your knowledge is incomplete of it all, you have to understand the origins of that which you resent. Being a more repressed and uniformed nation of people, things like guro came about as a way to express desires and fantasies that they couldn't do in the first place and wouldnt't be considered socially acceptable outside of a fantasy world. Rape, disfigurement, scat fetishes etc etc are common place in the realm of anime and fetish type adult videos. It's also the difference of ideology that they continue with, lacking the strict rules and justification of western type religion. You won't see breasts in kid shows in the western world, but they're a common sight in the east where it's not considered a taboo.

Ultimately, what I have a problem with is the fact that these desires and fantasies exist and are expressed. I'm not saying it should be suppressed, I'm saying I don't like it. I don't see how appreciating something on an emotional or sexual level can be entirely separate from a person.

Mahimaki · #10 2007-07-18, 08:36

It's easy to solve your problem. Pick up a bible and lock yourself in a room with no electrically powered devices. Your problem is with basic human nature and the need to express an idea.

You said you don't like it, well good for you. Montana militia groups don't like the government, thumbs up to them, lots of christians don't like homosexuals, sodomy, harry potter and many other things, congratulations to them. It's your life, they're your opinions, you are entitled to them.

And about the glorifying, with your terms, the glorification of rape, mutilation, and other acts have been around since day one of humanity, and fine art? Well I'll be damned if it doesn't have those same glorifying pictures riddled through out.

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ChickenOfDoom
I don't see how appreciating something on an emotional or sexual level can be entirely separate from a person.

And what does this have to do with anything?