Who is/was Jesus?

[jonboyw75]

I'm interested in the views of NON-CHRISTIANS as to thier belief(s) on who Jesus is/was and what his purpose and message was.....eg..was he a prophet?, a God, Just a good man, a nut, philosopher or never existed?? I would like the opinions of some Jews or Muslims or Atheist or agnostic or other. LET ME KNOW WITCH GROUP YOU IDENTIFY WITH and what your beliefs are. I'm not here to argue with you and I won't attack your views. I'm just tryin to learn something here. thanks.

[UrbnTbone]

I'm identifying with the Jews on that one:

Jesus was the son of a bride who was seduced by a roman soldier, and invented the whole "immaculate conception" legend because she knew her dumb husband would trust even that. So the whole story started.

Nevertheless, Jesus (JeShU) in Hebrew, studied the Torah, and could even have become one of the great rabbis of his time, if not for a pathologic pride. He took offense of his teacher's rebuttal, and went to Rome to learn sorcery. Then he came back to the land and started doing magic, with the poor and naive believing it was "miracles".

[Kikey_Kikeowitz]

I'd consider him a prophet, a very inspired man, but not the Messiah.

I think he was operating on a higher frequency or something, though. You cannot be a human and follow Jesus' advice. It's just plain impossible. Who in their right mind is going to turn the other cheek?

He had the right idea with martyrdom, though. Look how much he accomplished in death.

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[---Beany---]

I believe that everyone is a spiritual path to rejoin with god by realising, or remembering, that they are god, or part of, and understand exactly why.

You can only understand why once you have learned all the secrets about life and it's concepts. Jesus had reached this stage. He had learned that he is god (as we all are). He knew the secrets of life and how to use it, just as god does (since he is the creator). Some call this enlightenment. He understood how the power of belief altered brainwaves in a way that can manipulate energy into bringing forth what he believed.

He was a man who preached so much wisdom to people that was misunderstood by so many people who passed it down the line.

I don't think Jesus was anymore of a spiritual figure than 'Buddah', or 'Hare Krsna' or whoever else had achieved enlightenment.

He died on the cross for people's sins. But this is also misunderstood. Spiritual masters have the ability of taking people's karma and suffering the results so that those people don't have to suffer the effects of karma re-balancing. This could be the exchange of energies that have become become attached to the soul. Good for bad.

Jesus was an amazing man, but anyone enlightened is amazing. They know how to run perfectly in tune with the universe or with the flow of energy.

Also, since he has achieve enlightenment/understood all lifes concepts/ has flawless wisdom, he could preach these concepts to other people. Concepts such as 'Turn the other cheek'.

Which isn't misunderstood, but neither is it generally understood.

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[jonboyw75]

quote:Originally posted by ---Beany---:

I believe that everyone is a spiritual path to rejoin with god by realising, or remembering, that they are god, or part of, and understand exactly why.

You can only understand why once you have learned all the secrets about life and it's concepts. Jesus had reached this stage. He had learned that he is god (as we all are). He knew the secrets of life and how to use it, just as god does (since he is the creator). Some call this enlightenment. He understood how the power of belief altered brainwaves in a way that can manipulate energy into bringing forth what he believed.

He was a man who preached so much wisdom to people that was misunderstood by so many people who passed it down the line.

I don't think Jesus was anymore of a spiritual figure than 'Buddah', or 'Hare Krsna' or whoever else had achieved enlightenment.

He died on the cross for people's sins. But this is also misunderstood. Spiritual masters have the ability of taking people's karma and suffering the results so that those people don't have to suffer the effects of karma re-balancing. This could be the exchange of energies that have become become attached to the soul. Good for bad.

Jesus was an amazing man, but anyone enlightened is amazing. They know how to run perfectly in tune with the universe or with the flow of energy.

Also, since he has achieve enlightenment/understood all lifes concepts/ has flawless wisdom, he could preach these concepts to other people. Concepts such as 'Turn the other cheek'.

Which isn't misunderstood, but neither is it generally understood.

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Very interesting. I would like to know what group you identify with, if any. like new age, athiest,agnostic or whatever.

[LwaysTired]

Who was/is Jesus? Why not try reading the bible sometime. They talk a lot about him in it

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[Direckshun]

Some very interesting posts in this thread.

[---Beany---]

quote:Originally posted by jonboyw75:

I would like to know what group you identify with, if any. like new age, athiest,agnostic or whatever.

I don't realy know, sorry. I guess it's a mixture of many.

[Kakkaraun]

Jesus was the kind of person who, if alive today, most right-wing fundamentalists would hate.

Mmm, irony.

[browncloud]

LwaysTired spoketh forth and sayeth:

quote:Who was/is Jesus? Why not try reading the bible sometime. They talk a lot about him in it

Problem: The bible was written from memory 70 years after Jesus disappeared, then it was edited by Constantinople for political gain.

Kakkaraun sayeth as well:

quote:Jesus was the kind of person who, if alive today, most right-wing fundamentalists would hate.

Mmm, irony.

Like modern Constantinoples!





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